.... that unions can be openly political in nature, while technically being an organization designed to represent workers? To be perfectly realistic to the make-up of union members, they may lean Democratic to some degree.. but in the last election four in ten union members voted for Mitt Romney, while slightly less than six in ten voted for Obama. Why is it that Unions feel entitled to take union dues from their members and work diligently in a political manner that is 180 degrees from the interests of 40% of their members?
Certainly some may argue that this is a matter of checks and balances... as a corporation can make political donations that some of their employees may disagree with. The main differences, however, is that there is no automatic payroll deduction being taken to fund those corporate donations. Likewise, most corporations donate across the board to politicians of both Parties, in many cases sort of "hedging their bets" to some degree. There is not an automatic political partnership with one Party or the other, as you see with the Unions and Democratic Party.
The bottom line is that most of the new "anti-union" legislation is aimed at neutering the political power of unions, rather than actually ending the concept of what a union is "supposed" to be doing. I guarantee you that the Scott Walkers of the world would not be signing "anti-union" legislation if those unions were not hell-bent on defeating them in elections.
I think it's time for unions to make a decision. Do they want to exist as an entity that represents workers in labor negotiations.. or do they want to cease to exist as political organizations in a blatant and open quid pro quo relationship with the Democratic Party... that poses as an entity that represents workers in labor negotiations? Pretty simple in reality...
Is union management smart enough to see the writing on the wall?
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1 – 200 of 297 Newer› Newest»Beyond a couple complete untruths, this was just another typical anti-union screed. Under state and federal law, those who work in an organized shop, can opt to pay only what it costs to negotiate a contract and minimal overhead. This protects others from having to work alongside freeloaders who get the negotiated benefits, but do not even have to pay a minimal fee.
Unions act as an organized counterbalance to corporations and their shareholders. That is why the Republicans have always, almost unanimously, anti-union. Because the political side of corporations want to get rid of the political counter balance. I strongly believe that if they succeed, we will see a further decline in the standard of living for the middle class. Although unions are not as powerful as they once were, they do act for the good of the middle class.
You want perfection? They are not perfect. But neither are corporate bosses. And you think they should have NO restrictions on their political spending.
And I have one question. Are you going to bring back CHT, or will it remain on blogger? If you remain here, it will just fade slowly away. Even regulars like me tire if the bs required to post. And well, this format just sucks. Now I have to set a profile, publish, and make sure I am not a robot. THIS SUCKS!
Unions are relics of the past.
Look at the historic drop in membership.
HB hang on.
lol at hb - calling the REAL workers the freeloaders. Talk about a load of bullshit.
NBC's David Gregory broke the law by holding up what appeared to be a 30-round gun magazine on Sunday's Meet the Press despite being denied permission by police to bring the weaponry on the show."
I sure hope HB, Opium, James and other anti-gun nuts are working for the full power of the Law to be used against Mr. Gregory.
I am sure they are.
Gregory held up what looked like a 30-bullet gun magazine when interviewing the National Rifle Association's executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre on Sunday."
One of them violated Gun Laws, this is "rich" (shout out to Ette)..... hint the gun law breaker is not NRA President Wayne LaPierre.
Oh this is a very nice Christmas Gift , now when does he get charged?
calling the REAL workers the freeloaders. "
You mean like NVA insurance salesman???????
(shout out to Ette).
SHE IS GONE! Just like harry and oscar. Maybe you should take the hint also.
Chuckle
Oh come on Opie. We need SOMEONE to laugh at. And k'putz provides plenty of opportunity to do that.
Gregory held up what looked like a 30-bullet gun magazine when interviewing the National Rifle Association's executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre on Sunday."
One of them violated Gun Laws, this is "rich" (shout out to Ette)..... hint the gun law breaker is not NRA President Wayne LaPierre.
Apparently the DC police department warned NBC that the clip is illegal in DC and not to use it on the show.
They went ahead anyway, typical of the liberals who makes rules for everybody else but doesn't think it applies to them.
Hope Gregory gets indicted for a felony weapons charge.
It's going to be fun watching him use the second amendment to dodge punishment for violating a law he supports.
Irony.
Alinsky!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/m-nras_lapierre_getting_the_alinsky_treatment.html
zerO via zerOcare will kill (and eat) your dog...
"""According to a rule published Friday by the Internal Revenue Service, some medical devices used in veterinary practices will be hit by Obamacare’s 2.3 percent device tax. Many of their manufacturers are expected to hike prices, meaning higher veterinary costs for the nation’s pet owners."""
I read an interesting commentary a few days ago. It summed a recent Pew study regarding the last presidential election. Putting two and two together with other data...our future isn't good.
-zerO won largely because of young and single adults (i.e. they vote dem for entitlements)
-young people are getting jobs that pay less than the past.
-more people retiring means more people needed to pay bene's.
-US birthrate has fallen to the lowest EVER RECORDED.
What does it mean? The Ponzi is about to bust. Fewer people born, more living single, voting FOR MORE government freeshit, earning less to pay for government and for an expanding retiree population.
The youngsters are paradoxically voting themselves into the abyss by voting for socialism.
You libertarians have been preaching the same nostrums for as long as I can remember, whatta. And you have not been correct yet.
But please proceed.
And CH!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLOGGER SUCKS. Fix it or just shut it the fuck off.
hb
And CH!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLOGGER SUCKS. Fix it or just shut it the fuck off.
Or you can just leave.
It's going to be fun watching him use the second amendment to dodge punishment for violating a law he supports. "
Not ONE anti-gun supporter here dares to touch this issue.
Their boy asked for permission, was denied, but he so needed a prop to use he was forced to violate the law.
NRA Pres. Lawfully conducted himself the press did not.
This is so sweet it is "RICH".
The Driver in the Car is attempting to blame the passengers for getting lost and driving over the cliff.
Like the Driver was not at the wheel with the keys for the last four years.
This version does suck, I can't read the numbers half the time to prove I am not a bot and this is a brand new retina display iPad
caliphate4evr
Hillary, Sec of State.
When she testify on Bengazi it will be national news and great video and text to attack her with when she runs for President in 2016.
CS I think Gregory will use the freedom of the press tack. So he'll use the first amendment to defend himself against an attempt to impinge my second amendment.
Throw his ass in jail.
caliphate4evr
A flood of Economic news all good if your a no info ObamaBot
Disabled Workers Hit New Record in December: 8,827,795
and the effect is
Social Security Ran $47.8B Deficit in FY 2012"
how is it a system that has taken money for 70 years and at a time when older Americans are now demanding the checks they earned is the FDR wet dream for Socialist failing.
In part is it the 2 percent raid that Obama has committed against it by putting that money in the hands of today's worker to "stimulate" his Oconomy.
The "RICH" part of the Gregory Scandal is he was loaded for bear and had to have a visual prop to attack, he was foaming at the mouth and spitting cotton balls while committing his violation of the fire arms law.
NRA Wayne LaPierre , sat and watch the melt down with steely resolve.
Wayne has to be laughing at the Socialist as hard as I am, they now will run under the US Constitutions first and 2nd Amendments to protect them from Jail.
Best evidence to date is that they asked for permission and where denied, then they went all Elite on the issue, at trial all the prosecutor has to do is roll tape and use these words.
Prosecution now calls to the stand Wayne LaPierre for his eye witness and expert testimony against little foaming gregory.
Has David in protest of arm guards pulled his kids from a school that has armed guards to protect the kids?
Or did he keep them there and violate his own stand,
So let's review the problem with SS , the socialist designed it from the start and now that the very people that earned a check thru work and saving with the SSA are now the problem, how can that be?
Well here is one problem, Obama, yep he openly raided it to the tune of 215 Billion over just the last two years.
$103 billion in 2011 and $112 billion in 2012."
And pray tell what is this years shortage in SS ?
Social Security Ran $47.8B Deficit in FY 2012"
Tell Obama to return the funding and stop the raid.
Oh poor mensa boy is tired of being exposed as a liar and idiot. I feel your pain!
Seriously CH. Do something.
And ch. One other request. Limit k'putz to no more that 15% of the posts on any topic. The pathetic attention seeking moron has turned into the public image of your blog. This should not be the k'putz show.
hb
HB you are always so angry, but why, you won.
:-)
HB you are currently at 20 % of posts on this thread.
I love facts being used against your little no-information brain.
HB you are currently at 20 % of posts on this thread.
I love facts being used against your little no-information brain.
Indeed, he hates the backup blog because the robo-test forces him to think.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8BQ0B120121227?irpc=932
Housing sales increase again.
hb
-ever growing government dependency (think SNAP)
-middle class shrinking
-ever growing deficit and debt
-ever expanding regulation on EVERYTHING
-ever increasing pool of those that hate us due to foreign policy idiocy
--ever decreasing number of quality paying jobs
-ever increasing pool of retirees to fund for entitlements
-decreasing retail sales trend in place for the last decade
-real inflation in stuff we use that isn't included in the government lies about inflation
-real value lost in our currency through monetary inflation.
-cities going bankrupt...states not far behind
-cities/states/corporations with unsustainable and unfunded retirement programs
ALL IS WELL HB...all is well.
Carry on dude.
re: hb's "upbeat" housing data today:
"""...the November New Homes Sales report from the Census Bureau. On the surface the number was good, if a slight miss to expectations of 380K, printing at 377K, up from 361K in October, and "the highest in years." As we said on the surface. Because like the Initial Claims data earlier, where we subsequently learned that the DOL had to estimate the claims data of 19 states (!) as their labor offices were closed for the holiday, it is digging into the data that reveals the reality once more. Sure enough, on an unadjusted, unannualized basis, November saw a tiny 27K houses sold, of which just 2K in the northeast, and 3K in the Midwest. Furthermore, of these 27K actual new home sales, which by the way was the lowest number of home sales since February 2012, 9K were homes still under construction, and 8K were not even started, with just 10k homes completed and now sold. Digging further, on page 3 we found the dreaded (Z) designator in the $750,000 and over category, meaning that a negligible (taken to mean under 500 but usually implying 0) homes were sold in the $750,000 and higher price range. In fact, the only thing that really did soar was the number of homes for sale at the end of the period which rose to 151K: the highest since November of 2011. Yet magically the median month for sale since completion dropped to a tiny 5.3 months, down from 7.2 a year ago. It's a miracle what a few million mortgages in the "foreclosure stuffing" pathway will do to shadow and real inventory."""
whatta there is always this
Japanese yen hits 27-month low against US dollar
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20849204
the keynesian end game is coming. korea will weaken its currency if exports are threatened then china, india. deflation...then onto europe
caliphate4evr
Housing sales increase again.
hb
Great news, and it only takes 50 Billion a month of OPM being pumped into the housing market to do it.
Are you ready to see the Federal Government stopping this shameless manipulation of the housing market?
Whatta we have grown to expect little from the no-information fat slob called HB and he delievers even less, he is a robot.
The fiscal position the US Federal Govt is in today was agreed upon by Obama.
Blogger Sucks
The four week rolling average of new unemployment claims hit the lowest numbers since 2008.
Housing prices continue to rise.
http://wapo.st/W5M6Hu
Great News
Time to stop all the payments to those out of work and newly unemployed because of the rosy current Economy we don't need to continue to ad 1.2 trillion a year in debt, we don't need to have the 50 Billion per month on average pump in housing or hit all time highs in SSI checks and USDA SNAP Payments.
Right?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Housing prices continue to rise."
Look at all the good ObamaBots, that don't understand the housing data, even after it has been explained by Whatta.
No-Information voters love to read just the headlines.
Happy Days are Here Again
Tea Part dives the nation over the cliff, laughing crazily.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/27/16190675-reid-fiscal-cliff-failure-looks-likely-due-to-boehners-house-dictatorship?lite
Blues Cruise; The last gasp of the ruling class.
http://nymag.com/news/features/republican-caribbean-cruise-2012-12/
Consumer Confidence Plunges, Unadjusted New Homes Sales Slide To Lowest Since February
'Just as we saw with UMich, it appears the hope for change is wearing thin among the people. Today's Consumer Confidence data missed by its biggest margin in 7 months, dropped below the year's average, and saw the largest 2-month drop in over 15 months. All age cohorts lost confidence with the eldest most and it appears those earning over $35k are also beginning to worry (as those between $35k and $15k seem more confident). Over 40% expect stock prices to decline and it is expectations that have plummeted from a hope-filled 80.9 to a 13-month low of 66.5.'
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-27/consumer-confidence-plunges-unadjusted-new-homes-sales-slide-lowest-february
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/science/earth/lisa-p-jackson-of-epa-to-step-down.html?smid=tw-nytimesscience&seid=auto&_r=1&
She's done more to damage the economy with her insane policies than Obama, Wall Street and Bernanke combined
This sums up the problem.
Joe Biden says "economy on firm ground"
Today from the Majority place card holder Harry Rubber Stamp for Obama Ried said "Economy on firm ground"
"It is difficult enough to find new employment, let alone do so without health insurance for you or your family," Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said in a news release dated Dec. 26. "
The whole thing was white, and broken, that much was clear. A week after the presidential election, when the dreams of Republicans were dashed with President Barack Obama’s victory over Mitt Romney, we were snorkeling in the blue waters of the Caribbean. In the distance was a shipwreck. “You could make out the pieces of it,” said Ralph Reed, the right-wing political operator who had bolstered the Evangelical Christian vote for Romney. “It was deep and murky.”
Jonah Goldberg, the National Review contributor and author of Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning, also bore witness to the once-great vessel that foundered off the coast of Fantasy Island and was now sunken and covered in white barnacles. “I saw the silhouette of it,” he says.
Onboard the Nieuw Amsterdam, no one could follow his advice. “Who sent Obama here to destroy America?” a fiftysomething woman asked me one evening over dinner, as if it were a perfectly reasonable question. And here onboard the cruise ship, it was,
“The thing we have to understand is, these are people who don’t have any morals,” said Hassett. “They’ll do anything. I’m one of their No. 1 targets. I mean, they really want me bad.”
Then Hassett pivoted to the liberal media. “I actually think that Goebbels was more critical of Hitler than the New York Times is of Obama,” said Hassett, tucking into a piece of strudel. “I was in the middle of the fight against the propaganda, and I have stories like you wouldn’t believe. These people are so evil. They’re basically Fascists. It’s unbelievable.”
Rasmussen offered some friendly advice about approaching minorities. “You show them that you really care, you talk to them as grown-ups on a range of issues, you get them involved,” he suggested, “and you accept the fact that it’s a long-term investment. And you accept that you can learn as much from them as you can teach them.”
This was harsh medicine to reluctant patients, and afterward some of them made their discomfort known. “That depressed me!” one woman said. To my right, a man snapped, “That’s bullshit!”
A steady downpour started in the afternoon as we motored through steel-gray waters back to Florida. Tomorrow would be a new gray dawn in America. Up in the Crow’s Nest, the rain pelted on the windows as Jonah Goldberg, having just finished a panel about the scurrilous designs of the left, slumped on a couch, loosened his tie, and sighed. He had won $200 at the craps table with John Yoo last night, but now he was tired and ready to go home.
“Their conception of what the country is about, they really were sure the country would reject Barack Obama,” he continued. “I do think it hits them hard. The fear I have, why this election stung, I think, Obama has successfully de-ratified some of the Reagan revolution in a way that Clinton never could and didn’t even try to. That’s what freaks people out, that feeling in their gut, either Obama has changed the country, or the country has sufficiently changed that they don’t have a problem with Obama. That’s what eats at people.”
Businesses and taxpayers see gloom as end-of-year deadline looms. Causing the decrease in consumer confidence. Thank you Republicans.
the left is against ID for voting but now that they have a new chew toy they find a need and see it as just a natural requirement for gun ownership.
DiFi another Nut case from CA.
"Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint"
See there ya go, vote, just to hard for the no-information class voter to get an ID, too costly right?
Stocks drop on 'fiscal cliff' apprehension.
Boehner flies back to DC. Besides, you can't play golf in Ohio during a blizzard.
Thank you Republicans. "
LOL, now that is good stand up.
Harry Ried Majority Leader of the US Senate
President Obama, in the drivers seat and driving the car, recall he himself said he drove the car out of the ditch.
Those two wrote and directed the current law that governs what happens on Jan 1, 2013, it is be their design and strong leadership. We are where we are today. It is Obmama's Driving and Ried's road map.
There was only a 4.7 month supply of new homes on the market in November, the same tight inventory as has been the case in four of the previous six months. The last time there was a tighter supply of new homes available was in October 2005, near the height of the housing bubble.
The tight supply has lifted the median price of a new home sold in November to $246,200, up 14.9% from the comparable price a year earlier.
Anika Khan, senior economist with Wells Fargo Securities, said the report was stronger than expected, especially for what is traditionally a slow month for home sales. She said new-home sales and construction are becoming a more important driver of overall economic growth, which is even more important with the economy facing other headwinds such as a cutback on business investment and consumer worries about the fiscal cliff.
"New-home sales is a good story and it will continue to be a good story," she said.
New-home sales can be more important to the economy than sales of previously owned homes since they require purchase of other goods, such as appliances, and because of the construction jobs needed to build the homes.
Related: 2013 housing outlook
The continued rebound in prices likely will be a positive for both purchases and construction in the year ahead. Higher prices give current homeowners an incentive to sell their homes and procure the down payment they need for their next home purchase. Potential home buyers, who may have been on the sidelines because of uncertainty about home prices, might also be lured into the market.
CNN
In case you missed this last night, Heart (The Wilson Sisters) doing Led Zepplin's "Stairway to Heaven" should not be missed.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/heart-belt-out-stairway-to-heaven-for-led-zeppelin-20121227
The Great Republican Recession of 2013 is Now Five Days Away
Bush Sr Died
Throw his ass in jail."
Yep, that is the simplistic answer from such a minion of UGA
-zerO won largely because of young and single adults (i.e. they vote dem for entitlements)"
Yep,,., I am sure you thought of that all by yourself and have the data to support it.
Chuckle
So let's review the problem with SS ,"
Is people like you and the rest of the republican losers would not be able to survive without it.
Chuckle
Commonsense said...
And CH!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLOGGER SUCKS. Fix it or just shut it the fuck off.
Or you can just leave.
This version does suck, I can't read the numbers half the time to prove I am not a bot and this is a brand new retina display iPad
caliphate4evr
Finally, something that I agree with both of you. I am more willing to hope sense leaves, but, that is wishful thinking. Come on Cali.....show some ballz.
Recession, no way look at all posted SOARing Obama Economic news.
Ending any need to continue unemployment checks or the big housing pump of on average 50 Billion a month.
Big Ben said he will pump until Unemployment gets to around 6.5, then he added he does not see that level happening in 2013.
Good news is Harry and BO are not in charge of a single thing when it comes to the US Economy or US Federal Budget or Laws.
Obama has not veto'ed a single bill has he in four years?
She's done more to damage the economy"
As much a busch.. LOL
k'putz claimed GHW Bush died almost an hour ago. Not on the web or the news channels. Is he wrong or just stupid?
BOTH!!
Blogger SUCKS CH!!
Wrong, I heard it wrong, his family is around him in mass.
HB seems your sure read a lot of what i write for claiming you read none of it.
I read an article that points to 7 key area's of the US Economy that are worse today then when Obama took office.
1, lower labor partisipation rate
2, higher food stamp usage
3, spike in SSI retirements on disability, weakening of the rules cause it
4, lower 401 k balances
5, stagnate wages and unemployment
6, National Debt
7, Lower US Bond Rating
would not be able to survive without it." So said a brain dead liberal about me.
Thing is the fact are different then the Socialist reality, i never paid into SS except for a little bit when I worked in High School and during my time serving in the US Army other then that not a dime. I never wanted to so I opted out and will never get a dime out either. You don't have to fill out the forms to request SS payout, it requires you actively do it, just don't take it Socialist, you know help the program by not taking from it.
He may not make it through the night, but you claimed he had died. I don't read 90% of your drivel, it is entirely predictable lies and bullshit.
This version does suck, I can't read the numbers half the time to prove I am not a bot and this is a brand new retina display iPad
caliphate4evr
It has one virtue, it stays up.
but you claimed he had died.'HB
Yes i did and I said I got it wrong.
Still no charges filed against David Gregory.
Why not, after all the liberals here are hot to punish gun law violators, right?
k'putz has one thing over mensa boy. He can say he was wrong.
Mr 0.6% cannot admit error or lying.
Geithner: Debt Limit of $16.39 Trillion Will Be Met New Year's Eve"
I was sure Obmama has a reason for this spike in debt.
"You may have thought they did, but that’s because you’re stupid wingnuts who are also idiots. Just because Mr. Gregory called for more gun laws by breaking existing gun laws, that doesn’t mean he should suffer the same consequences that anybody else would. Because shut up."
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/27/apparently-laws-dont-apply-to-david-gregory/#ixzz2GIFMK4KZ
caliphate4evr
Cali,, the left here has been mute on this issue, it shouts what hypocrites they are.
Great find, thanks.
it stays up. "
So says sense's wife
I haven't said anything on Gregory for one reason. It was a news story. We call it freedom of the press. Look it up. You do not need to be part of an organized militia either.
Nuts
hb
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/27/apparently-laws-dont-apply-to-david-gregory/#ixzz2GIFMK4KZ"
Lock him up and toss the key....while Bushmasters are still killing people.....LOL at the UGA grasp of reality. Dumbfuckingass.
I haven't said anything on Gregory for one reason. It was a news story."
So the new standard is if it is a news story, HB will not be talking about it.
Strange logic on his part.
I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.
Barack Obama
well that one is a lie
Obama is a worthless leader.
Farm Bill is something he and Ried have paid no attention to, ok with me.
But 6 to 8 dollar a gallon milk, is that ok with you and yours?
What the fuck have those two so called leaders been doing over the last 4 years, no budgets, no taking on any hard tasks.
I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.
Barack Obama
well that one is a lie
Liar.
The only one who would make that wrong, is the Boehner and the house. Fuckin lying son of a bitch.
The coming cliff was authored by Obama and Ried.
It is their plan that has us here today. The President could have taken this up months ago, instead , he failed.
Can anyone name one time Obama has vetoed a bill?
Or has Ried so bottled up the US Senate to protect his boy.
HB will not be posting anymore because what we discuss here are "news stories". His new standard.
I bet he violates his own new standard.
BREAKING: AP source: Retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf has died in Tampa, Fla.
Truth
Obama to meet with congressional leaders Friday
Truth
(The Late per k'putz) President George H.W. Bush, who remains in the intensive care unit at Methodist Hospital, released the following statement Thursday evening on the passing of General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr.
"Barbara and I mourn the loss of a true American patriot and one of the great military leaders of his generation. A distinguished member of that Long Gray Line hailing from West Point, General Norm Schwarzkopf, to me, epitomized the 'duty, service, country' creed that has defended our freedom and seen this great Nation through our most trying international crises. More than that, he was a good and decent man -- and a dear friend. Barbara and I send our condolences to his wife Brenda and his wonderful family."
Truth
stimuless...
The net change in wages and salaries since 2008 has been an increase of $317 billion
The net loss of personal interest income because of ZIRP is $425 billion
but at least the housing market is "booming", eh hb? Due to 85 billion a month in Fed PROPPING...
Anonymous hb said...
Obama to meet with congressional leaders Friday "
News story, no way that can be the real HB commenting it has to be someone else doing it, because HB does not discuss news of the day.
Of course it is whatta. Of course. What I find amusing about macro economics is people like you, who have no real education on that level, have an opinion and are totally sure that you are correct. It works both ways, don't get me wrong, but you make this claim based on your politics, not on an education at the PhD level that would perhaps, only perhaps, able to really understand it.
Truth
HB the best thing about admitting I was wrong is seeing your continued pettiness . God your an insufferable little prick, no wonder your wife(s) left you.
So I need to find a site that shows how much the US Housing market has gained each month and see if it is at least the amount net that the Obama Administration is taking on in new unfunded National Debt thru the Federal Pumping.
U.S. on new track to catch Saudis in oil production.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57561042/u.s-on-new-track-to-catch-saudis-in-oil-production/
Truth
October 2012 Real Estate Data
The median list price in October was $189,900, the same as a year ago."
So even with the slight uptick in home values, the Omama pump is losing billions a month in real value, real tax dollars, some will learn to look past the news story headlines.
Why is HB posting News stories, he does not comment on them, and I quote.
I haven't said anything on Gregory for one reason. It was a news story."HB
this is uncomfortable to watch the two faces of one person so exposed.
Insufferable
$75 billion initiative aimed at reaching up to 4 million at-risk homeowners" Obama one of many throw money away plans
Then came the 40 Billion per month Big Ben Pump.
Problem is more is being spent on housing then what is in the aggregate being gained.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/home-price-index/
The data shows that those of us that live in higher priced houses are seeing higher gains then those that live in the bottom 50 percent, the bottom is still losing ground and that is how it should be.
"Of course it is whatta. Of course. What I find amusing about macro economics is people like you, who have no real education on that level, have an opinion and are totally sure that you are correct. It works both ways, don't get me wrong, but you make this claim based on your politics, not on an education at the PhD level that would perhaps, only perhaps, able to really understand it. "
So sayeth a carpenter
To get my business degree required 2 300 level Econ courses, 2 marketing, 2 stats, 2 management and 2 in finance.
caliphate4evr
2 marketing and or management
Correction
caliphate4evrr
I went marketing
And you became an insurance salesman.
The FACT that no one here has the education to discuss macro economics is true. And you know it.
k'putz future. Sexbots
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/the-rise-of-the-sex-machines-roxxxy-sexbot_n_2207584.html
With a risk management degree from second best institution in the country for that major. Well above the education level of a carpenter. I've taken Econ courses you haven't, I've take finance course you haven't, I've take stats course you haven't.
Don't tell people about macro or micro when you haven't darkened the door of said courses, you look like a fool
caliphate4evr
You can't have a basic knowledge from which to speak
caliphate4evr
I hate this format
calihate4evr
"The so-called fiscal cliff offers more examples of 2012 dreams giving way to reality. Obama will probably get his long-promised taxes on the rich. But so what? There are not enough caricatured “millionaires and billionaires” even to make a dent in his administration’s fifth consecutive $1 trillion–plus deficit.
Instead, all that is left for Obama is to go over the cliff or wait for Republicans to counter-propose the necessary cuts in entitlements so that he can both reluctantly accept these budget-saving measures and demonize those who so threaten “the most vulnerable.” What will stop the massive borrowing is not the myth of bipartisan cooperation, but the reality of returning high interest rates that will make the current splurging simply unsustainable.
What did we learn from the killings of Americans in Benghazi? So far, the fantasy of securing justice by jailing a single Coptic filmmaker for posting an anti-Islamic video has trumped the reality of holding the administration accountable for allowing lax security and offering only feeble responses to a massacre resulting from a pre-planned attack by al Qaeda–affiliated terrorists on a U.S. diplomatic post."
VDH
caliphate4evr
They are on to k'putz.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
Truth.. kinda...
What gets me about whatta, a nice enough guy, but a whaok on politics, is that he has been predicting for 5 years now, inflation to rival that of the Carter era.
Macro economics.. put me, him and k'putz together and our combined knowledge would not fill a thimble.
BENGHAZI!
You like VDH cause he writes so pretty, but he hasn't been right about a damn thing for as long as I can remember reading him. Not once.
I haven't said anything on Gregory for one reason. It was a news story."HB
The a picture over at Legal Insurrection that says it all.
It's a picture of David Gregory holding the illegal clip with the caption:
"If I were a black teenager, I would already be in jail."
Since when did journalist become a privilege class who is above the law halfbrain?
th a risk management degree from second best institution "
Typical...second best, the mantra of the right!!!!
Then a post from VDH.....proving the theory that no original thoughts begin here.
Chuckle
d 2 300 level Econ courses, 2 marketing, 2 stats, 2 management and 2 in finance."
Wow....that sure trumps my mba! 2 whole economic courses. Sure proves yours is bigger than mine! That and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.....
Since when did journalist become a privilege class"
I guess you are the only one still following the story. Let him be arrested, charged and convicted. Nothing will change if that happens other than a colossal waste of money for the trial. I guess that will make you grin like a cheshire cat.....LOL
Macro and Micro Economics, how is it that the leftist High School Diploma Holders get the two mixed up so often as some on the left do when discussing who creates wealth and that the words deficit and debt are not interchangeable as HB believes.
I do like reading HB and his other socialist friends discuss at length economics, finances and guns. All News Stories".
Since when did journalist become a privilege class"
When Obama got into office. Where is Eric Holder? Janet Nimrod? and others that are sworn to uphold the laws and in this case with David Gregory , the most sacred laws, gun related law.
When the leftist here said they wanted new gun laws to protect did they at that point decided that when people like a flaming bleeding heart leftist like Gregory should not be charged when violating current gun laws.
Can you image IF Wayne would have been the one that was in control of that violent producing magazine on a national TV Show?
has been predicting for 5 years now, inflation to rival that of the Carter era."
Yep, we got that wrong, sure did.
Now will you on the left admit your wrong doings?
Short list
1, National Deficit will be cut in half (to 200 billion) at the end of this President's first term
2, Unemployment will be at 5.7 percent at the end of his first term
3, GM cash investment will show a ROI to the tax payer (currently 49 Billion in the Red)
I guess you are the only one still following the story
That's our shithead Opie. Given a chance to contribute positivity to the conversation, he never fails to pass it up an put out a trollish screed.
Pathetic loser.
Maybe you never met Bork, but he made your life better
But most fail to mention that antitrust, the law of competitive marketplaces, is the first area where Bork left his mark. In the 1950s, antitrust law was a sleepy domain filled with rigid rules and nonsensical results. Company A could not acquire Company B because of the blind application of a formula. Often, the companies being shut out would be small businesses run by ordinary people simply trying to survive.
Bork revolutionized antitrust law. He was one of the first to look at the benefits to consumers from changes in corporate structures. He used economic tools to evaluate costs and benefits. As a result, countless millions of Americans and American businesses benefited from a more enlightened approach to antitrust law.
Bork did not meet these ordinary American consumers or businesses. We did not appear in his classrooms or courtrooms. We never knew we owed him a debt of gratitude. And Bork would never have thought that anyone owed him a word of thanks.
He did all of this not through obscure legal writings, but through clear and elegant prose that even ordinary Americans could have read and understood if they had been so inclined.
A great man, a great loss to the supreme court.
Gallup Poll: NRA Way More Popular Than the Media
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/gallup-poll-nra-way-more-popular-than-the-media/
'Western Europe has done such a good job redistributing its assets that the European Union now has a Spanish economy, a Swedish foreign policy, an Italian army, and Irish gigolos.
Redistributionist political ideologies, in decline since the fall of the Soviet bloc, are on the rise again. Will you help the neo-Marxists of Latin America redistribute stupidity to their continent?
The Janjaweed are trying to redistribute themselves in Darfur. The Serbs would like to do the same in Kosovo. The Chinese have already done it in Tibet. Al Qaeda offshoots are doing their best to redistribute violence to places that didn't have enough.
And Russia and China would like the global balance of power to be redistributed. Since China has plenty of money to lend and Russia has plenty of oil to sell, your debt and energy policies should go a long way toward making the balance of power fairer for the Russians and Chinese.'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324660404578199363527441002.html
America's future with Obumblecare
Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes
socialism, eventually you run out of other people's money
socialism, eventually you run out of other people's money"
Now now, we are about to see the cost savings of ObamaCare, my rates that have been going up are going to drop in 2013 by the long time promised and yet to be delivered upon Obama promised $2500 a year for my family.
And under our new Socialized Medicine lines will be shorter, less people will die because of Doctor/Nurses mistakes and fairy dust is real.
Only a no-information voter would believe this is going to work as promised.
Obama and Ried designed the current cliff.
Now they want to act like they are two Sgt Schultz
Obama is going to explode spending by a new stimuless of 160 Billion .
But why , IF , we believe the socialist no-info voters that post here why does Obama need more Federal Spending to Stimulate this great Economy that he has built.
lmao brit libbies hit with the clue bat
We had no idea how to handle them without offending our agonised liberal consciences. They saw this and exploited it ruthlessly.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/26/my-inner-anarchist-lost-out-bourgeois
Chicago has logged its 500th homicide of 2012
wow, gun control really works...
68 were children the approximate age of those killed in Sandy Slaughter.
The gun used in Sandy was stolen.
It was illegally possessed , at the point it was stolen IF gun laws worked it would have been disabled by pixie dust.
Sen DIFI has authored a bill that would require EVER GUN in the USA be registered with the Obama Administration.
I still have not seen the liberals across this no-information voting land turn in their guns, you know lead by example.
Thing is with Socialist, they do talk a lot about the right thing WE should do, but, don't do it themselves.
Outrageous behavior by Conservative Republicans in US Senate they have demanded to see a written proposal from Obama/Ried in a form of a bill that would be voted on today.
Bork shamed himself in Watergate and had stances that disqualified him for the SCOTUS, Jeffery Toobin showed how the man was wrong for the country in a devastating obit that you can be sure Mensa boy never read.
Allow five days of public comment before signing bills
To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."
This is a great Promise by the One and now the 2ndcoming, so does he break this promise like others, does the socialist no-info voter care that they are being punked?
"""America's future with Obumblecare"""
When libruhl douches like Al Franken are even saying that zerOcare is going to cost 000's of jobs you know major trouble lies ahead.
But no one knew it wasn't the perfect law!!!! /sarc off
''When libruhl douches like Al Franken are even saying that zerOcare''
fuck franken he wrote many parts of the law
Thank You, David Gregory
Obama and Nancy P wrote ObamaCare , I am very proud of that fact.
Obama did get this done in his first four years, it was a wet dream of Socialist like FDR , since FDR 1st term.
Still no news of in mass liberals going to turn in their guns. Hypocrites.
Bork shamed himself in Watergate and had stances that disqualified him for the SCOTUS
Really halfbrain? It's not like he got drunk, drove his car off a bridge and left a terrorized girl to drown now is it?
Obama is a fucking moron.
His new plan is called the "Milk Fix".
LOL, instead of working on the US Economic problems , he was out doing everything instead.
He and Ried, the leaders of the powerful Socialist have had a full two years to deal with their created cliff and their lack of a Farm bill.
That's our shithead Opie."
LOL sense.....It does not change the fact that you are the only one pounding the Gregory dead horse! The problem seems to be you cannot find anyone else who cares? Thanx for the expletives, sense, once again you lost.
Maybe you never met Bork, but he made your life better"
By dying and using less O2
Unions are relics of the past.
Look at the historic drop in membership.
HB hang on.
2:07 PM,,, at the beginning of this thread.
I came across this ,,,,,
AFSCME Membership Drops By Half In WI After Law Change
Posted on May 31, 2012 by notamobster
Read it here.
Public-employee unions in Wisconsin have experienced a dramatic drop in membership — by more than half for the second-biggest union — since a law championed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker sharply curtailed their ability to bargain over wages and working conditions…..
Wisconsin membership in the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees-the state’s second-largest public-sector union after the National Education Association, which represents teachers-fell to 28,745 in February from 62,818 in March 2011, according to a person who has viewed Afscme’s figures. A spokesman for Afscme declined to comment."
When given a free choice the work bee wants to keep more of his/her money.
Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes"
LOL cali. The dumbass from georgia quoting the most reputable paper foe getting crap wrong as the basis of his post. Now facts, just shallow reporting from across the pond. Let's see how this all plays out.
Chuckle
Really, no one cares or is writing about the David Gregory violation of Gun law on national tv.
Oddly , Odopie you are, you do know that don't you.
Chicago has logged its 500th homicide of 2012
wow, gun control really works..."
Proving again that all you do is follow the logical mantra of the NRA.....Maybe we should all be like kennesaw and enact a law that every household should have a gun.....Seems to me that having people like you, rat, and sense always armed could be detrimental to your health......Maybe a good thing!
Chuckle Uga boy.
Thank You, David Gregory"
Another C&P opinion from national review posted by frat boy salesman.
HB in 2012 your booming housing sector has netted the following results.
The bottom feeders have seen their home values drop by another 1.76 %
The top 25 percent of Home/Land Owners have seen a fine rise of 6.43%.
This is how it should be in the USA, those of with more should see the best results in our investments and the no-information voters should see continued losses in their shelters values.
Life is good, thanks for bringing this data to my attention.
fuck franken he wrote many parts of the law"
Shear genius from the right. What have you contributed lately other than hate????
Chuckle
transparency
Maybe it's a coincidence that Jackson, who attended Tulane University on a scholarship provided by Shell Oil, resigned only days after the Justice Department agreed to hand over 12,000 emails from Jackson's "Richard Windsor" account. But it looks like she's attempting to dodge an uncomfortable investigation.
Gee, a shoot out at police HQ's....I guess all those having guns did nothing to stop the violence. And the right thinks teachers will be more capable. You guys are a friggin joke.
Three New Jersey cops are in the hospital after a shooter opened fire inside of their police headquarters this morning.
The three officers were shot at the Gloucester Township police headquarters by a suspect who was then shot and killed by police, Gloucester Police Chief Harry Earle told reporters today.
"Fortunately, two of those officers are in stable condition and being treated for their wounds and should be released sometime today," Earle said.
The third officer was shot at least twice and is undergoing surgery at Cooper University Hospital, the chief said.
The shooter was a suspect being held at the police station, according to the Associated Press. It is unclear how the suspect was able to obtain a weapon.
The shooting occurred inside the police station where the suspect was also killed. Medics responded to the station at around 5:30 a.m., according to ABC News' Philadelphia station WPVI-TV.
"Obviously, there is a very intense investigation regarding this back at the Gloucester Township police headquarters," Earle said.
Police operations will continue as normal in the township of 64,000 located acorss the Delaware River from Philadephia.
transparency"
Another baseless conspiracy proffered by cali....kinda like Hillary dodging the hearing because of her concussion. The right keeps sinking lower and lower.....
Keep posting frat boy, you might get something correct soon.
Chuckle
Hillary Testified at the Hearings
Cool
I guess all those having guns did nothing to stop the violence."
Really, where is the gun man that abused the Police Officers?
American Debate: All reason leaves the GOP
Dick Polman, Inquirer National Political Columnist
DEC 28, 2012
All sanity seems to have left the ranks of those in charge of the GOP. Increasingly, it is becoming clear that the party is against everything and for nothing. That's not governing. That's just lobbing hand grenades. And the GOP is shrinking daily before our eyes.
LOL< Jane
Obama has two new positions.
1, "The Milk FIX"
2, "The Mini-plan"
What happened, why is he so whipped that he is not attempting big ideas and bigger spending?
He owns the White House and his white Slave Ried, and has a lot of votes in the US House.
Roll Call vote...please answer honestly.
Diane Feinstein will present a gun control bill when Congress reconvenes...assume for a moment that it calls for confiscation of all citizens weapons.
Would you voluntarily give up your guns to the government?
Why would you, or why would you not?
My answer HELL NO!!!! As they say, they can pry them from my HOT dead fingers....cuz the barrel will be melting from going down shooting.
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military - William Burroughs"
Would you voluntarily give up your guns to the government?"
No
Why would you, or why would you not?
The reason the founding Fathers put in the 2nd Amendment and the right of this individual to own arms was their fear of a US Gov't Tyranny .
DiFi has in her bill the required registration of ALL GUNS. No matter their make, model, vintage or caliber.
Is k'putz as dumb as he appears here? Is it possible to function with a single digit IQ?
Anyhow, there will be a Presidential statement at 5:45 PM EST on the cliff talks.
"Moderately optimistic".
Keyword, "Bi-Partisan Majorities" The House can DO that, but it would probably cost Boehner his job. And will McChinless let it come to an up or down vote.
"And will McChinless let it come to an up or down vote."
LOL......he did promise, HB, that he would let a vote with a simple majority!
Just saw on the ABC news that the prick who shot the firemen got the guns that a surrogate bought for him. Hmmm.....she could get ten years.....she deserves life.
Friggin idjits
Thank You, David Gregory"
He's proving the absurdity of the gun law he supports.
Irony!
Would you voluntarily give up your guns to the government?
No way Jose!
I'm even having second thoughts about registering the guns and getting a CC permit.
You never know when some asshole newspaper will use a FOIS to get and print your name and address with a scarlet G in front of it.
Just saw on the ABC news that the prick who shot the firemen got the guns that a surrogate bought for him. Hmmm.....she could get ten years.....she deserves life
Evil finds a way.
As I expected the LWnuts here ignore the question regarding gun confiscation. LOL...no surprise.
In other headlines:
"CBS News - Man pushed to death in front of NYC subway train"
...dems call for ban on trains and mumbling women
"Times of India - India gang rape victim dies in Singapore hospital"
...dems cry for ban on penises.
"CBC.ca - China Tightens Its Grip on Internet Users"
...dems applaud and cry for Feinstein to propose similar rules here.
Mayor: Keep 2 NY subway push deaths in perspective
As police sought on Friday to locate the unidentified woman, Mayor Michael Bloomberg urged residents to keep the second fatal subway shove in the city this month in perspective. The news of the horrific death of a 46-year-old man from India came as the mayor touted drops in the city's annual homicide and shooting totals.
"It's a very tragic case, but what we want to focus on today is the overall safety in New York," Bloomberg told reporters following a police academy graduation.
Maybe Bloomberg should support a campaign to ban subways since more people have been killed using subways than guns for the last two months.
"""Maybe Bloomberg should support a campaign to ban subways since more people have been killed using subways than guns for the last two months."""
I agree wholeheartedly. Subways and trains are dangerous...and buses too. Every year many children die in school bus accidents. Clearly they should be banned.
BTW here is a C&P from Feinsteins website regarding her bill:
""...Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration."""
soooo, even grandfathering weapons under her facist plan would not exempt one from more government "checks" and registrations.
You can assume that local governments would assess a fee to cover this. Probably could be looked upon as a recurring revenue stream. A yearly fee to maintain a constitutional right. Maybe they could even means test it and assess a higher fee on the "rich".
Fantasy Land on CHT continues.
hb in alternate reality said...
Fantasy Land on CHT continues.
This is what happens when you need say something even though you really have nothing to say.
"This is what happens when you need say something even though you really have nothing to say"
Quite a few on the left do that here
caliphate4evr
On January 1, regardless of the outcome of fiscal cliff negotiations, Americans will be hit with a $1 trillion Obamacare tax hike.
http://atr.org/trillion-obamacare-tax-hike-hitting-jan-a7393#ixzz2GRQkxJqs
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
The research is published in the British Medical Journal.
The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
Cali, you are being unfair to the no-info voter all of this data and numbers gets them all confused and frustrated.
Here let me help .
08 Hopey Cnangey
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HB under the leadership of Obama/Ried where is the published plan with details they put on the table yesterday?
I looked for your "grand bargain" announcement and only found too little
"The Mini-plan" and too late, "The Milk FIX" "
Evil finds a way."
And weak laws make it easier.
It is difficult to discern which wing nut is the iidjit with so many contenders. Lets see, subways are dangerous, penis's should be banned and long pointy knives should be banned. Any straw man that fits your narrow minds to make inane points is never out of reach for you guys.....British response to the lunacy posted by the great brain from UGA.
Chuckle
Government response
Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.
"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.
"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.
"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.
"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."
And weak laws make it easier.
New York has one of the strictest set of gun control laws in the US.
100 million dollar lawsuit in Sandy Hook filed"
The Lawyers are not about to waste this cri$i$.
And weak laws make it easier."
Conn had/has a special assault weapons band, it also is illegal to steal a gun and illegal to take one on School grounds.
They all failed.
So write even more laws if that makes you feel better
Another state joining the modern age. Unlike troothers!
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — After waiting years and seeing marriage rights nearly awarded and then retracted, gay couples in Maine's largest city didn't have to wait a moment longer than necessary to wed, with licenses issued at the stroke of midnight as the law went into effect.
Among them were Steven Bridges and Michael Snell, who held a commitment ceremony six years ago but made marriage official under state law with a simple ceremony.
"It's historic. We've waited our entire lives for this," said Bridges, a retail manager, who's been in a relationship with the Snell, a massage therapist, for nine years. Bridges, 42, and Snell, 53, wore lavender and purple carnations on black T-shirts with the words "Love is love."
With Snell's two adult daughters looking on, they exchanged vows in the city clerk's office after getting the first marriage license issued to a same-sex couple in Portland.
Voters approved gay marriage in November, making Maine and two other states the first to do so by popular vote. The law is already in effect in Washington state; Maryland's takes effect on Tuesday, the first day of 2013.
New York has one of the strictest set of gun control laws in the US."
Obviously not strong enough to deter the surrogate aiding and abetting a nut job. 10 years does not seem appropriate for the taking of 2 lives due to your stupidity, something that troothers know a lot about.
BTW.... I have no problem whatsoever re-registering my guns.
Killing thousands of Americans didn’t convince the left to turn against Arab Islamic terrorism, maybe something more serious like racism will do it?
This is a serious subject and if Islamic terrorists fail to take immediate action they risk losing the support of the left which could impact the number of pro bono lawyers available to them and the number of media columnists willing to write flattering profiles of them and urge an immediate surrender by Israel and America to their demands.
Diversity training is the first step. Every terrorist cell must have a member who is responsible for diversity enhancement to create a terrorist group that is as diverse as the world.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/former-al-qaeda-in-mali-member-accuses-terrorist-group-of-racism/
Obviously not strong enough to deter the surrogate aiding and abetting a nut job.
She broke the law. What makes you think an evil man bent on a suicidal, murderous plan is going to worry about breaking the law if it is stricter?
That's the fallacy of gun control laws. Criminals already breaking the law are not going to worry one bit about gun control.
Evil finds a way.
This is a serious subject and if Islamic terrorists fail to take immediate action they risk losing the support of the left which could impact the number of pro bono lawyers available to them and the number of media columnists willing to write flattering profiles of them and urge an immediate surrender by Israel and America to their demands.
I doubt it will stop leftist lawyers and columnists since they are already closet racist to begin with.
She broke the law"
Again you missed the point. That was not what I posed. Is the law strong enough if it does not deter a dumbass from buying a gun for someone else? 10 years does not seem adequate when 2 lives are snuffed out because you did an asshole a favor, does it, sense.
That's the fallacy of gun control laws"
Lets arm everyone....we already havee 300 million or so guns now.....which gets pretty close to that reality! Keep protecting guns and nut jobs sense. It is the right wing way.
Opuim are you for or against the Death Penalty?
As for the registration of ALL firearms, you do know it will also require you present a photo ID.
Read the DiFi bill.
Lets arm everyone"
The above is what defeat on the issue and facts looks like, HyperBolic HB, so funny when he gets swatted by all of us conservatives with college degree(s).
Again you missed the point. That was not what I posed. Is the law strong enough if it does not deter a dumbass from buying a gun for someone else?
Actually you seem to miss the point.
If an evil man is bent on a suicidal, murderous plan, then there is no penalty that will deter him.
We must ban these lethal weapons....celebrities must make a video....feinstein must be enraged at these still being sold:
-Woman dies after savage golf club beating, police say - latimes
-Man beaten with golf club remains in the hospital week lat..
-Boxer brutally beaten with golf club | WIVB.com
-Lorain man beaten with golf club - morningjournal.com
French court rejects millionaires' tax"
Come on we are better then the French, where is the Obama/Ried forward written plan.
They have to post the bill to give all Americans time to review and give public comment, remember Obama promised in his "most open administration" speech.
SO far what we know publicly is that he is looking for a tiny-plan and a Milk fix.
See those on WIC and SNAP have to be economically protected, no not with a job and income, but by ever Bigger Gov't.
I for one have for years wanted the US Gov't out of ranching/farming and let the real cost of food to show up at the market.
Whatta
You forgot Skakel
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14670669-kennedy-nephew-michael-skakel-denied-parole-in-1975-murder?lite
Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007.
There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure.
Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/42677/Knifings-and-shootings-up-as-murder-rate-soars
"""You forgot Skakel"""
Damn, golf clubs are deadly and should be controlled by government.
Background checks and fingerprinting should be mandatory to get a tee time.
Damn, golf clubs are deadly and should be controlled by government.
When they pry my 5-iron from my cold dead hands.
When they pry my 5-iron from my cold dead hands. "
LOL
HB, where is that HUGE Announcement you said was coming from the ONE last night????
Details of the deal are they published anywhere?
Must be time to take to the TV talking head shows.
Obama and Ried authored and approved the deal with Republicans that now is some kind of cliff.
What bullshit, so the Obama/Ried cliff was just a piece of steaming shit.
Obama/Ried have wasted time on this, pushing it past the election and now have some kind of new found urgency.
Fuck them both. They created the mess let them figure out how to undo their fuck up.
Budget Control Act of 2011 "
aka Obama/Ried cliff, they are the authors of it, they had all of 2012 to deal with it, but, the do nothing twins pushed it, kicked it and forgot about it, until after the elections.
These idiots created this mess and now like spoiled children expect others to clean it up.
Since they created the plan in 2011 why is it so bad IF it takes effect as it was agreed upon?
When they pry from my cold, dead hands my anti personnel machine guns, flame throwers, grenade launchers, military style anti personnel semi automatic rifles...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/28/weekly-address-congress-must-protect-middle-class-income-tax-hike
CH. Fix this or refund the last payments, probably used for air fare, and shut this down.
ctually you seem to miss the point. "
Please sense, that is truly insulting in your menial way. If you want to allow surrogates to get away with murder, fine, you defend guns, fine, you ignore kids, fine. But you cannot defend your tacit bias that it took an illegal act for a nut job to get the gun. The law was obviously too easy for the dumbass broad to get her hands on the weapon, lie about how she was going to use them. That, dear sense is also perjury. Oh well, I guess you think that's okay also!
Chuckle
Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking"
Most shockingly is you think this has any relevance to anything. I guess that's what happens when you go to 2nd rate schools and train in sales. I guess they should go to belarus and check out the murder rate there.....without guns. Chuckle
Or he can embrace the role in which fate has cast him. Sometimes a society becomes too stupid to survive. Eleven-year-old girls fined for rescuing woodpeckers, serving Marines put on the no-fly list, and fifth-generation family cats being ordered into separate compounds with “electric wire” fencing can all testify to how near that point America is. But nothing “raises awareness” like a celebrity spokesman. Step forward, David Gregory! Dare the prosecutor to go for the death penalty — and let’s make your ammo the non-shot heard round the world!
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336573/laws-are-little-people-mark-steyn
REPUBLICANS RESIGNED TO GETTING BLAMED
BuzzFeed: "It's difficult to find a Republican operative who is willing to say on the record that going over the fiscal cliff next Tuesday is a good idea. Provoking a crisis is bad politics:
Republicans are resigned to taking the blame. And it's bad for their policy agenda: They will likely be cornered into a broader tax hike than the best deal they could get from President Barack Obama today, and with none of the spending cuts that might now be on the table."
"And yet, the dominant emotion among most Republicans here is one of sheer resignation."
Said one prominent Republican: "It's a shit show. Tax rates are going to go up on everyone, and we're going to get the blame."
They will dodge the blame James. And on here, it will be all Obama's fault. They will follow the k'putz, take quotes out of context and blame the President. They are shameless right wing shills.
And PS: CH.. several of us contributed and this is what we get? Do something or shut this pile of shit down.
Do something or shut this pile of shit down.
2:05 PM
do not let the door hit you in the ass.
Our future with Obumblecare
The full extent of the danger presented by foreign doctors working in the health service can be revealed.
New figures from the General Medical Council (GMC) show that the vast majority of doctors who have been struck off were trained abroad.
The revelations will add to concerns that NHS patients are not adequately protected from health professionals from countries where training is less rigorous than in the UK, and from those who are unfamiliar with basic medical practices in this country.
The figures, disclosed for the first time and obtained by The Sunday Telegraph using freedom of information laws, show:
• Three quarters of doctors struck off the medical register this year were trained abroad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9771022/Revealed-3-in-4-of-Britains-danger-doctors-are-trained-abroad.html
Our future with Obumblecare"
Your hatred towards AHC is not measured in logic, but abject hatred towards everything Obama. Health care is the most feared thing most people have. Those without means of payment are treated out of the largess of all of us that pay. For non value added costs that are buried in insurance rates and the continued spiral of costs need to be contained. IMHO, healthcare should not be a for profit endeavor. Eliminating layers of management and sales costs are a place to start. Training doctors and paying them a reasonable salary is another. Your constant screed that ACA is not affordable is based in a UK source that has little in common then what happens here. There will always be examples of crappy care and shitty doctors. It is the fraud committed through insurance and fake claims . The governor of FLoriduh got rich by fraud and is still in office. Shows how dumb the right can be. It is changing rapidly and I seriously doubt the republicans will survive much longer with the stupidity that Boner is showing. You want to see lack of leadership, look at your party.
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