The U.S. economy grew in the fourth quarter - but just barely - instead of contracting for the first time in three and a half years, the Commerce Department said Thursday. The U.S. expanded at a 0.1% annual rate in the last three months of 2012, better than the initially reported 0.1% drop but well below the third quarter's 3.1% pace.Well there you have it... proof positive that Obanobics works like a charm.
Thursday, February 28, 2013
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If government were only a greater percentage of the economy things would be great.
The damn sequester thingy is goin' to ruin everything!!!l
Let's release some MORE criminals!
Obama just said that His sequester is going to rolled out slowly over months and months , moving off of his fear mongering.
What are all those laid off Teachers, Fire fighters, doctors, nurses, FBI agents and others going to do?
He is caught in a self made trap
Let's release some MORE criminals!"
Remember Obama does not know what is going on in his Administration.
The White House instead has, with great success, fudged the facts. The administration has convinced a majority of the country that Republicans are more to blame by emphasizing that Republicans voted for the plan. Which they did — after Obama conceived it.
The truth is that Obama and Republicans supported it because everyone believed it was a such a stupid idea that the grown-ups in Washington would never actually let it happen. They thought Obama and Congress would come up with a grand bargain on spending, entitlement cuts and tax increases, instead of allowing the sequestration ax to fall. They were wrong.
So the blame game is in full swing — and Woodward is smack in the middle of it. The Obama White House is out to discredit him. Behind the scenes, Obama allies are spreading word that the Woodward book broadly — and his reporting on sequestration specifically — are misleading because Republicans, especially House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia, were so clearly among the chief sources.
It is no secret on Capitol Hill that Cantor and his staff cooperated extensively with Woodward. It is fairly obvious as you breeze through the opening chapters of the book. But we have talked with many Democrats and Republicans who cooperated with the book. And all of them say that while they might dispute some of the broader analytical points Woodward makes, the play-by-play is basically spot on.
David Plouffe, the longtime political adviser to Obama, taunted Woodward on Twitter shortly after this column was published. “Watching Woodward last 2 days is like imagining my idol Mike Schmidt facing live pitching again,” he tweeted. “Perfection gained once is rarely repeated.”
Watching and now having interviewed Woodward, it is easy to see why White House officials get worked up about him. He clearly is skeptical of Obama’s approach to the job. “I’m not sure he fully understands the power he has,” Woodward said. “He sees that the power is the public megaphone going around to these campaign-like events, which is real, but the audience he needs to deal with is on this issue of the sequester and these budget issues is John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.”
Woodward also said that based on his reporting for the book, Obama deserves more of the blame for scuttling the grand bargain of 2011 that would have put sequestration to rest long ago. “He changed the deal and it blew up,” Woodward said. “I mean, you look at the facts, and even by the White House accounts by his aides, he was making a last-minute change.”
Woodward thinks there is still a grand bargain to be had between Obama and Boehner, with tax reform as a huge component. “Sit down and work through this,” he said. “I can see exactly how you come up with a deal that would dispose of lots of things.” Woodward, who helped bring down one presidency and has written instant history on every one since, added: “Color me a little baffled. I don’t understand this White House. Do you?”
Clearly the most thuggish administration since Nixon.
Woodward also said that based on his reporting for the book, Obama deserves more of the blame for scuttling the grand bargain of 2011 that would have put sequestration to rest long ago. “He changed the deal and it blew up,” Woodward said. “I mean, you look at the facts, and even by the White House accounts by his aides, he was making a last-minute change.”
This is not going to sit well with James and HB.
James was educated by me yesterday on the big LIE of W's deficit in 2008 being above 1 trillion, it never was.
James will come on today and admit he was wrong.
Obama birthed the idea of sequester every one knows that, and it would be nice to see James and HB admit it.
And many other issues they are wrong on.
But , they will not,,, so I deal with them anyhow.
The Obamaian Universe
A place where everything revolves around the fixed planet of public spending.
In the Obamaian universe, the life force is a fairly weird contraption known as the Keynesian Multiplier. As explained by its adherents, for every $1 of public spending, the whole economy will rise by $1.50 or even $2.
As life forces go, the Keynesian Multiplier would be really remarkable. Alas, Copernican economists such as Robert Barro have been asking repeatedly the past four years for the evidence that all this spending in Mr. Obama's public universe has been expanding the economy at this rate. Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office just said that in 2013, which will be the fifth year of Obama budgets that spend about $3.5 trillion annually, the economy is only going to grow 1.4%.
For that, Mr. Obama has an answer: more spending, which would be made possible by ratcheting up the volume of revenue flowing into the spending machine via whatever cats-and-dogs tax increase he can get through Congress.
Maybe the Keynesian Multiplier, like green ooze, just doesn't work.
It doesn't matter. As with geocentrism, the president's pre-Copernican political economy is based in religious belief. This is why House Speaker John Boehner and so many others have never been able to get on the same page with the president about the upward slope of federal spending. He doesn't want to cut spending. He wants more of it. Forever. Public spending is beyond ideology for Barack Obama. It's the oxygen in his universe.
from my e-mail:
George Bush, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell. While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for.
The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.
Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a check.
Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for 30 minutes. When she is finished the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so she writes him a check.
Finally George Bush gets his turn and talks for 4 hours. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is $5.00.
When Putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why Bush got to call the USA so cheaply.
The devil smiles and replies, "Since Obama took over, the country has gone to hell, so it's a local call."
- rrb
"Clearly the most thuggish administration since Nixon."
He's makin' tricky dick look like a nice guy...
...and makin' Carter look competent.
When Obama first came into office, in 2009, the White House projected that GDP growth this year (2012) would be 4.6 percent. Then, in 2010, the White House downplayed that projection to 4.3 percent. And last year, the forecast looked even gloomier, at 3.6 percent."
Not that it matters.
"The devil smiles and replies, "Since Obama took over, the country has gone to hell, so it's a local call.""
HA!
Bob Woodward made himself look rather ridiculous when he said a senior White House official told him in an email he would “regret” questioning White House statements on the origins of sequestration. The official in question is Gene Sperling, economic adviser to the president. The White House has since pushed back, saying the exchange was far more innocuous than Woodward claims.
And indeed it is: Here is the friendly exchange:
From Gene Sperling to Bob Woodward on Feb. 22, 2013
Bob:
I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.
But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding — from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios — but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.)
I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.
My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.
Gene
From Woodward to Sperling on Feb. 23, 2013
Gene:
You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today.
Best, Bob
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Strange way to reply to undue pressure, I'd have to say.
The National Black Chamber of Commerce president lashed out at President Obama and his presidency’s damaging impact on the African-American community, saying, “We’ve got to wake up, slap ourselves and wake up” on Fox News earlier this week. With black unemployment at 13.8 percent this month, and above 20 percent for young blacks, Harry Alford criticized African Americans and the NAACP for standing up for Obama because of their shared race, even though they’re being hurt by the president’s policies: “We all know this misery, but it’s something like, ‘We’ve got a bad guy in the family, but protect him because he’s family.’”
REPUBLICANS PICK CONVICTED FELON TO RUN FOR JACKSON'S SEAT
Republican voters picked ex-convict Paul McKinley (R) as their nominee to run for the seat recently ceded by former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr, the Chicago Tribune reports.
McKinley, a convicted felon who served nearly 20 years in state prison for burglaries, armed robberies and aggravated battery, declared victory, beat businessman Eric Wallace (R) by 23 votes.
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LOL File under: It takes a criminal to replace a criminal?
THE MARCH TO WAR WITH IRAN
Time has new details on the White House debate in which President Obama ultimately committed to preventing an Iranian nuke by force if necessary.
"Every current and former official interviewed for this story BELIEVES OBAMA WILL RESORT TO WAR IF NECESSARY TO PREVENT IRAN FROM GETTING A NUCLEAR WEAPON. But only Obama knows for sure... As a former senior official says of the coming year, 'WE ARE ENTERING THE FINAL STAGES OF THIS DRAMA.'"
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One little note: Every war OBAMA has started so far (Libya), he has decisively won.
Bias minded James New Leaf said...
Bob Woodward made himself look rather ridiculous when he said a senior White House official told him in an email he would “regret” questioning White House statements on the origins of sequestration.
Looks like a threat to me. And it looks like a threat to any fair-minded person reading it.
So you assertion is the only thing that looks ridiculous.
Lanny Davis has come forward and said the Obama administration threaten him also.
And he actually supports Obama.
It's Illinois, that's all there are
McKinley, a convicted felon who served nearly 20 years in state prison for burglaries, armed robberies and aggravated battery, declared victory, beat businessman Eric Wallace (R) by 23 votes.
Who'd thought there were 50 Republicans in IL-2.
"Lanny Davis has come forward and said the Obama administration threaten him also.
And he actually supports Obama."
We don't expect intellectual honesty from the fake "Christian", do we?
Another one...
"Sharon Attkisson got the same treatment investigating fast and furious.
Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House.”
"Harry Alford criticized African Americans and the NAACP for standing up for Obama because of their shared race, even though they’re being hurt by the president’s policies: “We all know this misery, but it’s something like, ‘We’ve got a bad guy in the family, but protect him because he’s family.’”
They even admit the only reason they voted for him is because he's black - and I guarantee you the ONLY reason James and HB are so in love with him is because he's black. With those two - it's white guilt.
How's that for some great identify politics?
It's goddamn awesome! That's what it is - awesome!
Doesn't look like a threat to most of the newspeople who read it, and you know it. But lie on.
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Meanwhile,
ROVE DEFENDS EFFORT TO BACK "ELECTABLE" CANDIDATES
Karl Rove defended his move to get involved in Republican primary races across the country, saying a new vetting process would prevent "poor candidates" from giving Democrats an edge in critical races, the Dallas Morning News reports.
Said Rove: "My posterior was shredded a little bit by donors wondering why we are writing checks for people who then turn around a run such lousy campaigns."
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Aw, Karl. Just sit back, relax, and let 'em run convicted felons if they want to.
"It's Illinois, that's all there are"
Crooks?
Yep - and fakes.
Unconvicted (YET) James New Leaf
On my way to hell, according to you.
But YOU'RE not.
"But YOU'RE not."
Doubtful, since I've never condoned murder, or anything remotely close...like infanticide.
You and Obama?
Oh yeah - you two are in BIG trouble.
JESUS: If anyone denies me before people, the Son of Man will deny that one before my Father who is in heaven.
COMMENSA: Looks like a threat to me. And it looks like a threat to any fair-minded person reading it.
FIRST READ; In fact, the email exchange between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, has since become public, and it’s hard to conclude that Sperling was attempting to intimidate Woodward.
Most journalists would agree with the First Read journalists that --
"if you’ve been in this business long enough, you’ve probably received emails more incendiary and threatening than 'I think you will regret staking out that claim.'”
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LOL
FIRST READ; In fact, the email exchange between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, has since become public, and it’s hard to conclude that Sperling was attempting to intimidate Woodward.
I said fair-minded person not Obama sycophant.
A fair minded person, not an ODS infested liar.
FIXED.
So Doughtboy thinks that a fair-minded person would consider it a threat also.
Thanks for butting in.
HB, is your 200 K tax bill sitting well with you today?
You voted yourself a lower return on your rental.
New technology could stoke clean coal-powered cars
There are many exciting possibilities for the clean coal technology,” says Liang-Shih Fan, a chemical engineer and director of Ohio State University’s Clean Coal Research Laboratory. “We found a way to release the heat from coal without burning it. This could be applicable for many industries.”
Fan last week disclosed that he had discovered a way to get the energy out of coal without burning it, using iron-oxide pellets as an oxygen source, and contain the reaction in a small chamber from which pollutants cannot escape. The only waste product would be water and solid coal ash -- no greenhouse gases. As an added benefit, the metal from the iron-oxide is recyclable.
Auto industry experts and other researchers are excited about the prospects for use of Fan’s clean coal technology to power fleets of cars across America, and as a possible rival to battery-powered hybrids and electric vehicles already in use.
If the technology can be successfully miniaturized enough to fit into cars, the fueling infrastructure needed to service them would not be all that difficult to develop, experts say.
“In using clean coal pellets, a customer could pull up to a filling station, where the clean coal pellets would be introduced into the on-car storage tank. This clean coal would then be used to generate electricity through an on-board generator, which would charge up the ultracapacitors,” suggests Chad Hall, founder and vice president of Ioxus, in Oneonta, N.Y., a maker of ultracapacitors for the auto industry.
Not endorsed by the Obama administration so it may actually be successful.
2012 GDP is far less then what Obama said it would be IF only he was allowed to take the Federal Deficit of 500 billion (roughly) to over 1 trillion.
2012 = 1.6 % gain (if I am wrong correct me)
Obama promised by now we would be at or above = When Obama first came into office, in 2009, the White House projected that GDP growth this year (2012) would be 4.6 percent. Then, in 2010, the White House downplayed that projection to 4.3 percent. And last year, the forecast looked even gloomier, at 3.6 percent. "
"Let’s get this out of the way right now: the only opinion that matters as to whether Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward was threatened by the White House or not is Bob Woodward’s. When he was told you’re “going to regret doing this” by a senior White House official, he interpreted it as a threat. President Barack Obama’s allies, in the administration and the press, are now attempting to argue that Woodward is mistaken – that the inherently subjective condition of feeling threatened is debatable. One presumes that a journalist responsible for forcing one of the most Machiavellian presidents in American history to resign (a distinction Woodward himself shuns) is accustomed to threats. Having said that, the White House is right: Woodward will probably regret making himself the martyr for journalistic integrity in his battle with the globe’s most powerful executive office. When the White House decided to go to war with another reporting outlet – Fox News – few fellow journalists vocally objected. The nation’s ethicists were silent. If Woodward thinks his own stature will force the media to abstain from indulging in their reflexive instinct to protect the White House, he will find he has miscalculated."
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-white-house-is-right-bob-woodward-will-probably-regret-this/
no, let's believe the asshat lapdogs at MSDNC's "first read." those who exist solely on a diet of skeets 0linsky's man gravy.
uh huh.
LOL.
- rrb
18 U.S.C. § 875(c)
From the wording of § 875(c) it is clear that the legislator did not require the element of 'intent.' Thus, it is irrelevant if the accused claims he/she did not have the intent to produce any injury on the victim; the mere act of sending the e-mail with threatening messages typifies the criminal conduct."
The person receiving the electronic threat only has to "reprieve" it as a threat and not prove or be concerned about the "intent".
Not that it matters.
Cali, the voice of the Black Commerce is never heard, wrong kind of black people, they are working hard and building business, they want less Government.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341897/maxine-waters-sequester-could-cause-170-million-jobs-be-lost-charles-c-w-cooke
Maxine Waters (D., Calif.), in an attempt to outdo President Obama’s claims that even minor cuts will bring the republic’s long run to an ignominious end, warned today that the sequester could cause “over 170 million jobs” to be lost:
134 million people have jobs in America.
- rrb
"If anyone denies me before people, the Son of Man will deny that one before my Father who is in heaven."
Is that particular Scripture God breathed?
According to you - some are and some aren't...
Darn, RRB, you beat me to it.
Oh well, it must be those jobs lost because of less welfare and food stamps going out.
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
Oops...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"Maxine Waters (D., Calif.), in an attempt to outdo President Obama’s claims that even minor cuts will bring the republic’s long run to an ignominious end, warned today that the sequester could cause “over 170 million jobs” to be lost:
134 million people have jobs in America."
What manner of person would vote for that dumbass?
Obama Bragged of "Saving" Detroit
The State just took control of the dead beat town.
Oh my. The troothers are in full idiocy stage IV today. Their long term prospects are grim.
"What manner of person would vote for that dumbass?"
an entitlement addicted and crack addicted and obamaphone addicted laquishaniqua.
- rrb
What manner of person would vote for that dumbass?"
Uhm, HB
With the facts that Obama spending has failed to move the US Economic needle enough.
Is it time to stop the Federal Reserves reckless QE infinity ?
Obama this year received a 600 Billion dollar increase in revenues.
For any liberal to now tell us how smaller the Deficit is going to be this year is making themselves look silly.
It is like giving a person that finds his family in debt by 100,000 on his home, a 20,000 dollar gift and he now pays down that debt by 5 k and he takes credit for how well he has done.
James, will you ever admit you are wrong?
Bush 2008 National Deficit
FY 2008: $459 billion
Obama National Deficit
FY 2009: $1,413 billion
FY 2010: $1,293 billion
FY 2011: $1,300 billion
FY 2012: $1,089 billion
To k,putz $111 million is pocket change. If he has that kind of money why does he spam a blog with 20 unique views a day?
Maybe it is Bush talking down the economy.
And we are only seeing the beginning of this President turning into a Nixon-like imperial President, unstable by power, arrogance and hubris.
$111 million is pocket change" HalfBaked
Might you tell me what you are referring to.
Thanks.
So if a president deliberately uses his power to harm the public for political purposes, can he be impeached?
I suspect not unless he commits a high crime or misdemeanor.
But his party will suffer in the next election.
CS, can you do me a favor, look at HB's last post and those that came before it from the rest of us, can you tell what he is attempting to ask me, or is it just his typical non-sense?
Thanks
Poor KD Kansan redneck. He's always asking me to admit I'm wrong, and I don't even know what it is he thinks I'm supposed to admit I'm wrong about.
He has a tendency to put his own thoughts and words into other people's mouths, so maybe he means that. He also has a tendency to take something a person says and turn it intos something else, so maybe he means that. I really don't know. I really don't care. And I say this with a blissful smile, in case anyone is wondering.
;s anD
If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
The "sequester" is reality. Obama signed it into law and tonight at mid-night it happens.
Are the Hebrew scrpiture laws (Old Testament} mandating death by stoning for a woman caught in adultery -- are those laws God-breathed, Savagette?
How about the one that says you shall not boil a kid (goat) in its mother's milk.
How about the one that says you can't wear clothes made from a mixture of fibers?
How about the ones that say you can't eat shellfish or catfish or pork?
How about the one that says to touch a dead body, even of a loved one, is an abomination?
How about the one that declares how happy they shall be who take the babies of the Edomites and dash them against the rocks?
All those as equally "God breathed" as the Sermon on the Mount?
Really, what's your answer?
Anonymous James New Leaf said...
The deficit in Bush’s last fiscal year was $1.4 trillion. The deficit for President Obama’s fourth fiscal year as president will be around $800 billion."
Nope, facts are listed in a prior post by me.
Oh wait, James believes that 2009 is suppose to go on "W"'s accounts.
***Obama signed it into law.***
Why? Did someone send it to his desk?
CS, can you do me a favor, look at HB's last post and those that came before it from the rest of us, can you tell what he is attempting to ask me, or is it just his typical non-sense?
Typical nonsense from a brain that has long since ceased functioning.
Pay no mind.
"Why? Did someone send it to his desk?"
The psycho didn't have to sign it - why bother then when he doesn't give a shit about a budget now.
"Are the Hebrew scrpiture laws (Old Testament} mandating death by stoning for a woman caught in adultery -- are those laws God-breathed, Savagette?"
Don't ask me - I'm not the one pretending to be a Christian - that would be you.
You either believe the Bible contains the Word of God - which was God breathed as it says, or you don't.
You don't - AND you support abortion and infanticide...
...you're in BIG trouble buddy - you'll have a lot of company - your true Messiah, Obama, will be there with you.
I'm bettin' he's a bourbon man, too.
Did someone send it to his desk?"JNL
Yes, and to that point is was just a bill and now with his signing it , it became a the law of the land.
Obama gave birth to the idea of sequester, he got everything he asked for and now he is being forced by his own pen to live with it.
Pay no mind. "
thanks, good advice.
Michigan governor to declare Detroit fiscal emergency"
The City that Obama "Saved".
One more failure on the ledger of the sitting President.
"Obama gave birth to the idea of sequester, he got everything he asked for and now he is being forced by his own pen to live with it."
Oh, he was talking about Obama's sequester?
I thought he was talking about the 2009 budget, lol.
Surely, he knows it's Obama's baby by now, lol. Gettin' him to admit it - well - now - that's an entirely different story, lol.
How about the one that declares how happy they shall be who take the babies of the Edomites and dash them against the rocks?
A little misleading aren't you pastor?
1 By the rivers of Babylon,
there we sat down, yea, we wept,
when we remembered Zion.
2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying,
Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4 How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Psalm 137 is about the Jewish exile in Babylon and God's revenge against those who did evil to them.
Takes verses out of context is very dishonest and would be beneath any reputable pastor.
*Taking
Oh, I see Obama is down below Nixon territory on Rasmussen and Gallup.
Better get back out there with more lies!
"We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof."
Aren't the Scriptures beautiful?
If James wants to put the 2009 deficit on "w''s tab, then he must also put the 2009 Recovery on "w"'s tab.
I hope he figures it out.
Gettin' him to admit it - well - now - that's an entirely different story, lol."
Exactly, I went back and found his own post on the subject of deficits, moved it to this thread and am waiting for JNL to admit he got the deficit data wrong.
Yeah - Obama's not a thug (sarc) -
Woodward, Davis, Altar, Fournier...
...comin' out of the woodwork, lol.
Aren't the Scriptures beautiful?
Yep, no matter what the false pastor thinks.
Woodward, Davis, Altar, Fournier...
...comin' out of the woodwork, lol.
The Obama loving media is circling the wagons.
There defense: It's no big deal, they makes threats all of the time.
Woodward, Davis, Altar, Fournier...
...comin' out of the woodwork, lol.
They all violated the 11th Commandment, thou shall not bear honest witness against the ONE.
*Their
LMAO...
"One is forced to asked the question: Is the President just another Ivy League A**hole shredding civil liberties and due process and sending people to die in some sh*thole for purely political reasons?” asked actor John Cusack in a recent piece published yesterday on TruthOut.org. "
He won't work again, lol.
You guys are a hoot. seriously. No one "threatened" Woodward. Fact is, he never used that word. It came from Politico. Besides, I read that Sperling is about 5'2" and not a threat to anyone.
Woodward took it too far. The only thing that makes a lick of sense is that he's upset that the President is going around the press and using the bully pulpit.
There are some conservative voices out there now saying. Oops. This is another "Friends of Hamas" moment, as the right wing looks for something, ANYTHING to use against Obama.
This one does not have legs. But by all means, keep it up and look like fools again. It provides me with cheap amusement.
The most openly and transparently thin skinned administration in history
LOL...
Woodward, Davis, Altar, Fournier.
After giving birth to and signing the sequester into law in 2011 the president did zerO to attempt to solve it until tomorrow.
A Day late.
I wonder where all the pressure went to that was building on the Republicans to cave today?
Is it with Obama's budgets ?
I read that Sperling is about 5'2" and not a threat to anyone.
Napoleon was shorter. I don't think anyone doubted him when he decided to make a threat.
Woodward took it too far.
Did he? You just said he didn't use that word.
The only thing that makes a lick of sense is that he's upset that the President is going around the press and using the bully pulpit.
Nonsense, Woodward calling Obama on pretty much the same thing he called Nixon on.
Lying. And abusing his power.
From Cali's article...
"But the Obama machine's obsession with image management isn't limited to haranguing and punishing journalists--just ask Desiree Rogers, Carlos Pascual, Hillary Clinton, or Stanley McChrystal."
Chicago! Baby! Chicago!
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-bob-woodward-s-fight-with-the-white-house-matters-to-you-20130228?print=true
by Ron Fournier
Big whoop. If you are dumb enough to think that this kind of thing isn't common, you are dumber than you appear.
I especially like this line. One the twit, etc ignored.
Reporting by Woodward and Carl Bernstein uncovered Watergate misdeeds and led to the resignation of President Nixon. My tweet was not intended to compare Nixon to Obama (there is no reason to doubt Obama’s integrity -- period) but rather to compare the attack to the press strategies of all the presidents’ men.
Lanny Davis also said what Team Obama did was "stupid" , his point was attempting to intimidate Woodward was not something that was ever going to happen.
One thing Obama did in telling the US Military the US Government under his watch is too broke and unwilling to find the funds to support them as they are in harms way.
US Economy will lose 170 million jobs tomorrow. IF we believe Maxine Waters.
LOL Machine Gun Mensa, you are an idiot.
Where is that lawyer?
Obama said he saved Detroit and now it is formally being taken over by the State Of Michigan.
Obama's City has been deemed to be "operational dysfunction,"
There was no budget deadline as it applied to the Obama birthed and signed into law Sequester.
The law stated a date that it would be in effect.
Nothing more. If you don't like the terms of a contract, just don't sign it.
"""Obama said he saved Detroit and now it is formally being taken over by the State Of Michigan.""""
Sure glad Unions, legacy costs, taxes and bailouts are a good thing. Imagine if they were bad.
In the past two years, House Republicans stopped cold Obama's left-liberal agenda. Break them now and the road is open to resume enactment of the expansive, entitlement-state liberalism that Obama proclaimed in his second inaugural address.
But he can't win if "nothing bad really happens." Indeed, he'd look both foolish and cynical for crying wolf.
His incentive to deliberately make the most painful and socially disruptive cuts possible (say, oh, releasing illegal immigrants from detention) is enormous. And alarming.
Hail Armageddon.
The City that Obama put up as his trophy city will become history making, it will be the largest City ever in the history of the US to file for Bankruptcy.
Just think if all that money that was wasted on GM was still in the pockets of the US tax payers and not pour down that piss hole.
Spare me the lie the GM is Profitable , their not, not until every dime the US Tax Payer with the Obama promised ROI is repaid.
Administration Afraid Sequestration Won't Bring Disaster
By Charles Krauthammer
Now this is a great piece because James and HalfBaked, have been citing Krauthhammer a lot of late, showing him some deep man love.
Now watch their wind shifted vane .
Obamacare may be here to stay, but so are all the problems it was supposed to address.
In every other market—home, life, auto—insurance protects against rare, costly, high-impact events. But in health-insurance markets, we’ve required insurers to offer everything from high-cost, catastrophic-care policies to coverage for cheap, routine care that most people could afford to pay out of pocket (just as they pay for home furnishings, gas, and groceries) or out of their savings (as with a health savings account). We’ve defined health care as a unique product—demanding that government subsidize and regulate more health-care coverage and consumption—and then decried the cost in the next breath. This reflects a deep cognitive dissonance in our health-care thinking and policies: richer plans and subsidies drive prices ever higher.
In a recent policy brief, the Kaiser Family Foundation argued that while the cost of private insurance will be higher for those buying it on the exchanges, federal subsidies will ultimately make it cheaper. But the subsidies will come from increased taxes or constrained spending on other government services (like the planned cuts to Medicare). Higher taxes will effectively transfer spending from non-health-related industries into health care. That means lower wages, less innovation, and fewer jobs in every other economic sector.
Americans tend to think that the problem with our health-care system is that we don’t have enough insurance. In reality, we’re over-insured: the U.S. has the fifth-lowest percentage of health-care spending out of pocket—about 11 percent to 12 percent of total health-care spending—among OECD economies. (In Switzerland, which has universal insurance coverage, the out-of-pocket ratio is 25 percent.) Increasing out-of-pocket spending for routine care would undoubtedly help lower health-care cost inflation. Consumers would ask themselves if the benefits of non-urgent treatments were worth the expense. With more cost-conscious patients, prices wouldn’t rise so easily.
It's tough always being right, but it's a burdening must bear.
Burden I must bear
DYAC
You people actually believe this little dust-up is a new Watergate.
Omg
Savagette seems to think I should believe all scriptures are "God breathed." I certainly don't think there are equal levels of inspiration throughout the scriptures, see post 5:47pm today.
As for Commensa's post at 6:37 -- that is indeed one to the very most moving and memorable of psalms.
Sad, though, that it is marred at the ending with thoughts of such vengeance, though it is understandable.
The Book of Jonah was written to try to persuade Jews that they should not hate the enemy (in this case the Assyrian Ninevites, who had also done terrible things to the people of Judah) that much.
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Now, back to Savage. I suppose she once professed an acceptance of Jesus as Savior when she went through confirmation as a child.
Whether the words of Jesus in post 12:39pm should disturb her or not, or how God breathed they are or are not, I will leave between her and the one she once professed.
there is no reason to doubt Obama’s integrity -- period
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WHO sed dat?
there is no reason to doubt Obama’s integrity -- period
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WHO sed dat?
You from beneath his nutsackwith with his baby batter dripping from your chin
Damn you are boring.
Who owns the Sequester?
In Harper polling, likely voters hold Republicans responsible 46% compared to Obama, 40% responsible.
(Not sure: 14%)
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Keep in mind that the following is from Harper Polling, a "CONSERVATIVE intelligence briefing" service:
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Polling Question:
Currently, a $1.2 trillion spending cut, split between national defense and domestic spending, is due to take effect in March. Which of the following comes closest to your opinion about those spending cuts:
1) The cuts should go forward because the government is running large budget deficits and the debt is hurting our economy,
or
2) the cuts should be stopped because they will badly weaken our military and lead to job losses?
In the battle of competing sequester messages, THOSE WHO SUPPORT LETTING THE SPENDING CUTS TAKE EFFECT ARE HEADED FOR DEFEAT, AS ONLY 35% BACK THAT POSITION. It’s little wonder that both parties are posturing hard as opponents of the measure.
What’s clear is that American voters are in no mood for austerity. A near-decade of economic decline and high unemployment has worn away our esteem for fiscal discipline.
President Obama has rallied populist opposition to any further sacrifice by the American people.
The dust has barely settled on the first progressive tax increase in two decades. Now, support is sparse for what is, in reality, a modest $86 billion reduction in government spending. These are desperate times for fiscal conservatives.
Younger voters are more likely to believe the cuts are necessary to reduce deficits and strengthen the economy while older voters believe the sequester will hurt the military and cost jobs.
Polling Question:
This across-the-board spending cut is known in Washington as the sequester.
Who do you think is most responsible for the sequester spending cuts:
1) President Obama
or
2) Congressional Republicans?
This is startling. We did not ask voters who they will blame for the two parties not coming together to stop sequestration. OBAMA WINS UNDER THAT PREMISE EVERY TIME.
We asked who voters think is responsible for the idea of sequestration. It is now widely acknowledge that the idea originated with the White House. And yet, voters place responsibility for the concept at the feet of Congressional Republicans.
The lesson here is that President Obama is on a roll. He has adeptly pinned responsibility for the sequester on Republicans, despite it not being true. It is a remarkable feat by the White House and maddening for Republicans.
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LOL
It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.
I kept telling you he was/is a consummate politician.
Got that ole time religion, Cali?
Apparently not.
The sequester is here, the sequester is here. My tv just went blank and airliners are crashing all around here! Every man for himself!!!!!
Hello,
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?
Come on
Now
I hear you're feeling down
I can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again
Oh noes the end isn't night we survived bumble's armageddon
"He has adeptly pinned responsibility for the sequester on Republicans, despite it not being true"
It's what pathological liars do - he's an expert, he's been lying his entire life.
"You from beneath his nutsackwith with his baby batter dripping from your chin
Damn you are boring."
Pitiful, isn't he.
Pitiful, isn't he.
Oddest part is he doesn't see what a fool he is,,
"He has adeptly pinned responsibility for the sequester on Republicans, despite it not being true"
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That is the opinion of a strongly rightwing "Conservative intelligence briefing" service
The GOP benefited from blaming Dems for things that the GOP was for until Obama was for them...
Now it's coming around and working in a different way
"It is a remarkable feat by the White House and maddening for Republicans.*
Must be sorta frustrating all right. LOL
What's really boring and pitiful here is people who've got nothing better to lodge against someone than accusations of loving "man juice" etc.
Pretty childish.
Personally, I have more respect for myself than to stoop to those kinds of accusations. But each to his or her own.
I have more respect for myself than to stoop to those
Good for you, no one else holds you in that esteem. Maybe you shouldn't prostrate yourself, jaw agape before all things Obumble, you have no self respect and deserve none....
Obama for weeks has been predicting that the skies over the USA would fall, did they in your area.
All is well in Kansas.
I have more respect for myself than to stoop to those kinds of accusations." JNL
But other non-stop accusations from you are fine with you,got it please continue.
As for Obama Policy, creating this sequester has blown up in his face.
The doom and gloom that he saw in his crystal ball has not come to pass.
The why is easy to understand.
Parents will not stop feeding their children or taking care of them, the banks will not shut down or food stores stop delivering food. As for Federal inspections, well, they are so hap hazard and lacking that not getting in the way of business will help not hurt.
Woodward's killin' the sleazy axelclod.
Some days it is great to get up and look at what has become of the 2008 Obama stories.
More epic green fail
Late last summer, at about the same time as the failed federally-backed solar company Solyndra was in its death throes, the Obama administration decided to go full steam ahead with its loan guarantee program anyway, approving a $197 million loan to oh-so-promising startup SoloPower. On top of that, the company received a total of $58 million in various tax incentives from Oregon and Portland, where they located their first major factory. Pretty sweet leg-up for an industry President Obama is constantly telling us is “on the rise,” no?
Womp. Solopower announced today that there going to have to do some business restructuring, including layoffs — and although they didn’t announce an exact number, it doesn’t look like things are going quite according to plan for them.
"Solopower announced today that there going to have to do some business restructuring, including layoffs — and although they didn’t announce an exact number, it doesn’t look like things are going quite according to plan for them."
Wonder how much toxic waste they'll leave behind...
OBAMA CALLS ON COURT TO STRIKE DOWN GAY MARRIAGE BAN
"Throwing unprecedented political weight into legalizing same-sex marriage, the Obama administration urged the U.S. Supreme Court to strike down California's ban on gay nuptials," the San Jose Mercury News reports.
"In a friend-of-the-court brief, the administration for the first time stepped into the four-year legal battle over Proposition 8, arguing that the 2008 voter-approved law violates the federal equal protection rights of gay and lesbian couples and does 'not substantially further any important government interest.'"
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Time to put that one in the dustbins of history along with Virginia's anti-miscegenation law.
***no one else holds you in that esteem.***
It just tears me all to pieces to know that I am no more popular than the President on this Tea Partiers' blog.
Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.
:0) (smiley face)
"Time to put that one in the dustbins of history along with Virginia's anti-miscegenation law."
yeah, that pain in the ass 10th amendment thingy really does obstruct that blessed centrally-planned liberal utopia.
- rrb
The Bush recovery started in 2009, that is if you subscribe to the 2009 deficit being on Bush's books.
Today is a great day, they sky din not fall , children still have parents caring for them.
Scare tactics failed.
Settled debate, Obama gave birth to the idea of a sequester and he alone signed it in to law.
In 2006 the beining of the massive oil and gas boom began. It was simple we had two oil men in Office that took off the cuffs of the private oil producers, today the USA is becoming a huge player again in the oil and gasoline markets.
The only problem today is the restrictions on transportation and production by the current office holders.
IF only there was a way to transport oil by pipeline thru the center of the USA and with out side money funding the project.
An unfriendly review of the book UNHITCHED that is unfriendly to Christopher Hitchins:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/02/25/richard-seymour-s-tawdry-christopher-hitchens-bio.html#sthash.lP62vloB.dpuf
About the only thing Seymour, the critic of Hitchens, got right, according to this reviewer, is the following:
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If there’s one valid critique Seymour offers, it is that Hitchens’s views on religion—best encapsulated in his blockbuster 2007 book God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything—were simplistic and reductive. “The overall thrust of Hitchens’s work on religion, then, was to pin on it social evils that are the product of a much more complex set of determinations,” Seymour writes. Hitchens’s peerless skewering of the contradictions, inanities, and ills of religious fundamentalism all too often conflated the extremists with the average believer, leading him to the simplistic conclusion that formed the subtitle of his bestselling book. Likewise, Hitchens never had a satisfactory answer as to how religion could be designated as the worst phenomenon to befall humanity when the two most murderous ideologies of the 20th century—Nazism and Soviet communism—were resolutely anti-religious.
OBAMA CALLS ON COURT TO STRIKE DOWN GAY MARRIAGE BAN
Let see.
First Obama was against marriage and Chicken-James cheered him.
Then Obama was for Gay Marriage but thought it was an issue best left to the states and the democratic process.
And Chicken-James cheered him.
Now Obama is interfering in the rights he said each state had in defining marriage.
And Chicken-James cheered him.
Chicken-James is nothing if not a hypocrite.
HOUSE REPUBLICANS CHEER BOEHNER
Speaker John Boehner, "the man who spent significant portions of the last Congress shuttling to and from the White House for fiscal talks with President Obama that ultimately failed twice to produce a grand bargain, has come around to the idea that the best negotiations are no negotiations," the New York Times reports.
"While the frustrations of Congressional Democrats and Mr. Obama with Mr. Boehner are reaching a fever pitch, House Republicans could not be more pleased with their leader."
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They better enjoy it while they can. Hell-to-pay may be coming around the corner.
Chicken-James is nothing if not a hypocrite. "
weather vane Jane.
It could be that Obama is just "evolving" his positions.
Like creating this sequester mess then after signing it , warning Republicans not to stop it , then begging on bended knee for help him stop this self-inflicted wound.
Speaking of wounds, why would Jill Biden need to fire a double barrel shotgun with the US Secret Service around her 24/7?
Or was it just Joe being Joe?
A little note to Barbeque-Commensa:
You say,
"First Obama was against [gay] marriage and Chicken-James cheered him."
Not true. What I said was,
He is actually for gay rights all the way up to and just short of actually legalizing marriage, but that is because he is waiting for the political landscape to allow gay marriage.
I was spot on.
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My predictions have turned out to be considerably better than yours, you who so CONFIDENTLY predicted Obama's DEVASTATING defeat (from which I am still struggling to recover, LOL.)
Grinning here. :-)
"And Chicken-James cheered him.
Chicken-James is nothing if not a hypocrite."
The perfect little Obama minion, eh.
A little note to barbeque, Mormon trinity, hieroglyphics, Abram's birthplace Commensa
Not been right on a lot of things, has he?
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Nevertheless, Savage is fervently holding his hand, hewing his wood, and carrying his water.
HB I would like to congratulate you again on your "ton" of money flowing your way this year, IF your property only is a middle of the road house in the area you told us it is in, then it will sell for around 500 k.
Here is some great news, both of which you voted for:
1, New Federal "special" tax of 3.8 percent on all income from "capital gains" is now 3.8 percent to help fund ObamaCare.
2, New CA state tax rates for that size of sale goes up another 3 percent just this year. Higher in years to come.
Two votes that you casted in 2012 will cost you 6.8 percent of your sale. OR if your property is just average,nothing special it will cost you $34,000.
Nice.
hewing his wood" JNL
please define that act or term, I have never heard it before, thanks.
He is actually for gay rights all the way up to and just short of actually legalizing marriage, but that is because he is waiting for the political landscape to allow gay marriage.
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-obamas-evolving-on-same-sex-marriage/><b>OCTOBER 2004: “What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” then-U.S. Senate candidate Obama said in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television.</b></a>
Obama's a hypocrite, so are you.
OCTOBER 2004: “What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” then-U.S. Senate candidate Obama said in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television.
Not to barbeque, Mormon trinity, hieroglyphics, Abram's birthplace, Obama's devastating defeat Commensa:
What I say at post 7:47 is not at all negated by your posts just above.
Still grinning.
*Note to barbeque...
oh-so-promising startup SoloPower"
Do you invest like Obama, Gawd I hope not, because his touch is that of a dark knight of death.
His investment model causes US Tax dollars to die .
KD said,
"hewing his wood" JNL
please define that act or term, I have never heard it before, thanks.
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Never read the Bible, have you?
Why am I not surprised?
HEWERS OF WOOD:
Menial servants. The Gibeonites who attempted to deceive Joshua were condemned by the princes of Israel to be hewers of wood and drawers of water to the congregation (Joshua 9:21-23.
In Deuteronomy 29:11 the hewers of wood are mentioned among the strangers as servants.
Machine Gun Mensa is against gay marriage. Color me shocked.
CS it is completely unfair of you to find direct quotes and trap JNL.
I ask you to refrain from educating him and others on the left about Mr Obama and his many positions.
IF only we had the money that GM , Solyndra, Sunpower, First Solar and now solopower we could pay for half of Obama's abortion called sequestration.
I've had enough fun with you guys for now. Thanks.
You can seethe on quite nicely without me, I'm sure. :-)
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Morning Hb. Top of the day to you.
Bye bye.
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Ah yes, machine gun, barbeque, Egyptian hieroglyphics, Mormon trinity, Abram's birthplace expert Commensa.
How could I have left that out?
Bye.
Don'tforget he is a climate expert too.
Shortly after midnight, this is what happened, according to Twitter:
Stephen Gutowski: "Just tried driving but since sequestration went into effect the roads have all crumbled into dust."
Brendan Loy: "OH MY GOD THERE ARE GOVERNMENT WORKERS SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUSTING ALL OVER THE PLACE, THIS IS HORRIBLE, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP" He added, "BREAKING: CALIFORNIA DECLARES WAR ON OREGON; KENTUCKY LAUNCHES SNEAK ATTACK ON TENNESSEE. MASS CHAOS."
Jonah: "It wasn't until I ate my neighbor's pancreas that I realized president Obama was right about the sequester."
Iowahawk: "The corpses are piling up outside my window like cordwood, oh my God the humanity."
Sebastian: "Nothing to worry about! I grabbed my double barrel shotgun & blasted #sequester through the door, just like the VP said."
Ari Fleischer: "President Obama is right. Undo the sequester! I can't stand it already."
Becket Adams: "I don't think my neighbors are taking sequestration seriously. They're giving me weird looks and making fun of my war paint and loincloth."
Exurban Jon: "So this is what anarchy feels like . . . From now on, I shall be known as ;ExJon, Warlord of the Western Deserts.'"
Buck Sexton: "Did America lose 170,000,000 jobs in the last 10 minutes? Keep me informed, everyone."
Brandon Morse: "The #sequester may now join the Mayan Calendar and the Y2K bug in the "[Stuff] Everyone Survived" Hall of Fame."
By morning, it was even worse:
Rick Wilson: "A few hours of fitful sleep, the sound of sirens and screams of the victims of the Barackolypse rending the night air . . . I saw their fires in the dark, savagery swiftly tearing away the thin veneer of civilization only government diversity programs provided."
John Podhoretz: "Just looked out the window. Five hedge fund guys fighting over a piece of raw meat."
- rrb
They continued, “Let them live, but let them be woodcutters and water carriers in the service of the whole assembly.” So the leaders’ promise to them was kept.
22 Then Joshua summoned the Gibeonites and said, “Why did you deceive us by saying, ‘We live a long way from you,’ while actually you live near us? 23 You are now under a curse: You will never be released from service as woodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God.”
JNL condones slavery.
Sorry James but that is wrong no matter the time or cause.
Notice is speaks of "debt" to a lender.
Debt enslaves a government and its people.
Note that HB and JNL have little time for this blog as Obama's sequester and doom are not one in the same.
"He is actually for gay rights all the way up to and just short of actually legalizing marriage, but that is because he is waiting for the political landscape to allow gay marriage."
so the petulant little man-child is such a fucking coward he had to cower until it was politically safe?
LOL.
shocker.
just like every other issue he has had to address since his first immaculation.
what was once "above his pay grade" as he told rick warren is now politically expedient because his position on gay marriage "has evolved."
LOL.
- rrb
RRB
When the President flew around like the modern day "chicken-little" and the sky did not fall , he looks odd.
"Shortly after midnight, this is what happened, according to Twitter:"
lmao
#OnTheSceneSequesterReport
Harry Reid devoured by ravenous mob of cowboy poets; last words reportedly "I did what I could, damn you!"
Everyone catch Andrew Sullivan's little hissy fit over Woodward?
LOL.
U.S. consumer spending rose in January as Americans spent more on utilities, with savings providing a cushion after income recorded its biggest drop in 20 years."
I am finding it very hard to believe our friends on the left when they talk economics and finances with us.
What I say at post 7:47 is not at all negated by your posts just above.
So what you are saying is Obama lied then because it was politically convenient just as he's lying now.
Thanks for the clarification.
Grinning, big time.
Anonymous RRB
said...
"He is actually for gay rights all the way up to and just short of actually legalizing marriage, but that is because he is waiting for the political landscape to allow gay marriage."
so the petulant little man-child is such a fucking coward he had to cower until it was politically safe?
LOL.
shocker.
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Yeah, sort of like that petulent cowardly little Abraham Lincoln who was always against slavery, but had the political intelligence to wait until the time was right before he issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
Obama waited until the issue was doable, just as Lincoln waited until he could free the slaves without causing a backlash that could have cost the north the war by the withdrawal of border states.
In like manner, Obama waited until his support could do more good than harm.
Yeah, THAT kind of coward.
And that goes for Commensa, too.
You're welcome. Keep grinning.
Some of you were predicting that Obama's support for gay rights, when he did express it, would cost him the election.
BLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!
WRONG!
*support for gay marriage
Oh yes, you were arguing it would cost him so much of the black conservative Christian vote that it would just plain old cost him the election.
BLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPP!
"Obama waited until the issue was doable, just as Lincoln waited until he could free the slaves without causing a backlash that could have cost the north the war by the withdrawal of border states."
only a true asshat could align something as egregious as slavery to something as trivial as gay marriage in comparison.
the two issues could not be more far apart in terms of the harm they do/have done to those affected by each.
thanks for not letting me down, jamesy.
to equate the two displays your ignorance of both.
- rrb
Tell gays who have REALLY been mistreated in the past that there is no comparison to the treatment of blacks, and that their cause is trivial.
No wonder you guys are losing, losing, losing losers.
Tell gays who have REALLY been mistreated in the past that there is no comparison to the treatment of blacks, and that their cause is trivial.
Maybe you should tell the blacks why you trivialized their struggle for equality and freedom by equating it with Gay Marriage.
Any black who looked at that young man on the gate would understand.
Machine gun, barbeque, Egyptian hieroglyphics, Mormon trinity, Abram's birthplace, climate expert Commensa,
What happened to your prediction that Obama would lose the election because the gay marriage issue would cost him the votes of conservative Christian blacks?
BLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPP!!!
WRONG WRONG WRONG
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Appears blacks have some understanding of what it means to gays to be rejected, eh? Second class citizenship doesn't sit well with anyone.
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